Coming soon to a Palos Verdes Estates near you!

January 12, 2017 § 48 Comments

Since the city of Palos Verdes Estates has decided not to install the Bikes May Use Full Lane signage recommended by their traffic safety commission and traffic engineer and supported by hundreds of cyclists, law and common sense, we’ve taken matters into our own hands.


Who knew that you could purchase ten honking, big-ass CalTrans-approved BMUFL signs, the real steel deal, for a mere $362.81? And that you could order them online?

We did, and we did.

Join us this coming weekend, and weekends throughout 2017 as we take to the four ingress/egress points of Palos Verdes Estates and hold up signs to educate motorists about the right of bikes to use the full lane, and to stress that all motorists (including Garrett and Cynthia Unno, Robert Chapman, Michael Kirst, and that Zaragoza lady) need to “CHANGE LANES TO PASS.”

The city council can — and they have — locked the chamber doors to public dissent.

But the streets are still free and we’ll be out there helping to spread the word.

Join us!



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§ 48 Responses to Coming soon to a Palos Verdes Estates near you!

  • Jim says:

    “The city council can — and they have — locked the chamber doors to public dissent.” Did I miss something? How is this legal?

    • fsethd says:

      Completely legal. Public comment at city council members is not a right and can be restricted by the council or eliminated completely. Democracy.

      • Tom Bunn says:

        That’s not true. Public comment at council meetings is a right, subject to reasonable regulation. (See Gov’t Code 54954.3).

        • fsethd says:

          See Gov’t. Code Section 11125.7(a), which makes public on non-agenda items permissive; it’s the last sentence of that paragraph. This means the city may, but does not have to provide non-agenda item public comment.

          The time restrictions that the city has put in place, in addition to the total time limits on council meetings, effectively eliminate the right of interested parties to comment at all when there are more speakers than the overall time limit set by the city.

          This is exactly how they ended the last meeting with the vast majority of people who showed up never getting to say a single word.

      • Tom Bunn says:

        Gov’t Code 11125.7 applies to state agencies, not cities. It is true that a city can limit total public comment time, but there must be an opportunity at each meeting to bring up your issue. Send me your e-mail address or phone number and I would be happy to talk with you further.

  • dangerstu says:

    Can you get California Historical marker plates? I think LBBHCGOMC would appreciate a reminder the location of the Masterbatourium…

    • fsethd says:

      We’ll Kickstarter it. Or maybe just a sign that says, “Masturbatorium Formerly Erected on This Site.”

  • Waldo says:

    The city council is taking cues from the orange piss pot, I see…

  • Michelle landes says:

    No way!!!

  • Kathie says:

    That’s GREAT!!

  • Quiche says:

    Go Seth! Whoo hoo!!

  • How did the city council lock the chamber doors to public dissent? Has your group decided to stop making public comments at every meeting?

  • Deb says:

    They made the meetings closed? To everyone or just cyclists?

  • Midland says:

    I like it. Good looking sign.

  • Winemaker says:

    I want a sign and will order one asap….I will put it up on top of the razor wire, on top of the 7 foot block wall, at the top of the road, past the electrified gated entry, to make sure motorists slow the f*** down on our residential street, where the posted limit is 40 and most speed past at 50. Single lane, no shoulder, at the top of a hill, no less. Riding a bike home, especially when old and ugly and spent, is perilous.

  • Erik MacDonald says:

    Power to the People – what better example in the cycling world? Way to go!

  • Sibex Czar says:

    That seems pretty cheap for the signs. Trying to get Monmouth County NJ to mark newly re-surfaced county roads with Sharrows, and 11′ travel lanes leaving room for bicycles, and installing Sharrows and BMFL signage elicited a $1000 per mile cost estimate to the whole project. If the signs are so cheap, I wonder where all that cost is…

    • fsethd says:

      Somebody’s pocket has to be filled!

    • PatrickGSR94 says:

      That actually may not be too far off. I think the recommendation is for those signs to be installed not more than 500 feet apart. That’s 10.5 signs per mile, 10 signs cost $362, and then you have to also figure in 10 posts, and the labor and overhead costs of installing those 10 posts.

      But in the grand scheme of things, $1K per miles is SUPER CHEAP, when roads themselves cost millions per mile.

  • You had me at honking…

  • LesB says:

    You’ll need to put bullet holes in the signs to make them look legit.

  • EricW says:

    Other people have created guerilla signage quite successfully:

    from –

    …Still, the Four Level manages to inspire dread in some motorists. Merging is not always easy; transitioning from the southbound Hollywood (101) Freeway to the southbound Harbor (110) Freeway requires a tricky three-lane maneuver to avoid the exit-only lanes bound for downtown streets. The interchange is also confluence of freeway names and numbers that can be confusing even to locals.

    Frustrated by missing information on Caltrans’ lane guidance signs, artist Richard Ankrom once installed his own signage near the interchange as an act of “Guerilla Public Service.” Finally, some Angelenos may be aware that the interchange is the site of L.A.’s original town gallows.,,,

    Caltrans kept the sign, as it was exactly to their specifications (online.)

    He made his own sign and installed it. You could do the same. BMUFL signs popping up in front yards, and on streets everywhere. Make small ones for car windshields and distribute them in parking lots. Get the message out!

    And where exactly was the original PV gallows?

  • krfifteen says:

    Don’t forget to wear the t-shirt: [BMUFL t-shirt link]

  • Lance says:

    Pve roads are two lane affairs making it impossible to change lanes and pass a cyclist
    Riding down the moon the middle.

    So your signs are illegal, designed for multi lane roads.

    • fsethd says:

      Law says you have to wait until it’s safe to pass and give the cyclist three feet. It can sometimes slow down a car for whole seconds at a time, so I understand it when you’d rather kill the cyclist. Starbucks might run out of coffee, so hurry!

    • PatrickGSR94 says:

      The Natchez Trace Parkway running through MS and TN is a 2-lane road, 45 MPH speed limit, with no large trucks allowed (it’s strictly a recreational route, no commercial vehicles). BMUFL/CLTP and sharrows were installed a couple of years ago in a few locations, and to my knowledge they have been working pretty well.

  • Liz Kurtz says:

    Maybe we could organize a ride and the last person can wear one around their neck so it hangs down their back.
    I volunteer. Are they heavy?😕

  • David Takemoto-Weerts says:

    Can you show me where in the CA MUTCD “change lanes to pass” is permitted to be added to the BMUFL sign?

  • PatrickGSR94 says:

    Found the sign on The Traffic Sign Store, and the smallest version 12×18 is only 20 bucks. Might have to get one and slap it onto the back of the cargo trailer I haul for grocery runs.

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