Take a deep breath

Sometimes, it’s really not about the bike. It can’t be.

As a friend of mine recently said (who happens to ride bikes), “Americans who history has labeled The Greatest Generation once died to fight Nazis. Today their descendants are marching to spread Nazism.”

Our president has strongly supported white supremacy by failing to strongly repudiate it. Everyone who can’t plainly state opposition to the people, ideals, and behavior that led to the Charlottesville rally for Nazism and the death of Heather Heyer supports it, too.

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47 thoughts on “Take a deep breath”

      1. I generally try to understand the other side in any discussion, disagreement, whatever. This one? I just can’t. How can anyone defend taking that side of this? And still be human, I mean.

        I’m shuddering for our country.

      2. I agree with Brian…I always seem to be able to relate to both sides of a disagreement…but THIS…it really defies my every cell…I THOUGHT we were so far past this.

  1. My Dad who is 93 and fought against the Nazis in Europe is disgusted with the Pontus. Dad predicted what is happening in our country now. He watched it happen in Germany. He was one of the soldiers who went into the towns and brought the German people out to dig the graves for the bodies in the concentration camps.

    1. So those of us who are their descendants have a pretty clear obligation. Thanks for sharing.

  2. Just to add that in addition to Heather 2 Virginia State Police officers were lost in the line of duty this weekend when their helicopter went down while monitoring the scene. Trooper Pilot Berke M.M. Bates and Lt. Jay Cullen. Lt. Cullen was a well known and widely respected cyclist in the Richmond, VA area and coached one of the local NICA teams. Undoubtedly both officers will be dearly missed.

  3. Not my original comment, but loved it:
    “You don’t get to be both a Nazi and a proud American. We literally had a war about this. The whole world was involved.”

  4. I’m sure you have seen it but I think Heather’s last Facebook post says it all “If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention”

  5. The t-man is obviously very ill at ease when forced into a news conference and forced to read a denunciation of Nazis or white supremacists.

    To quote John Lennon, it’s a case of the “Piggies eating their bacon”

  6. Here’s what I’d FUCKING LOVE TO DO…
    Let’s round up these nazis and white supremacists…and give them all a DNA test. Then I want to see what happens when these geniuses see what they are made of. Do you think they would POOF!…disappear??!!

  7. My Father died in Vietnam. He was in the army his whole damn adult life, since 1929. I disagree with your opening paragraph. I do not (NOT) march to spread Nazism….I detest those MFers…they are twisted souls.
    Don’t spread bullshit, Seth. You are better than that.

    1. The “descendants” are “Americans.” It’s an allegory, not a personal statement about any particular person’s family.

      1. Well, I have a number of friends (who all happen to be between 55 and 70, funny thing, that, eh?) who all grew up with their families on Army bases, who don’t like the “Lump them all together” allegory. Pigeonholing is a dangerous thing. Two of them even headed off to Canada to avoid the draft in the late 60’s/early 70’s. It may be hard to imagine, but there are fiscal conservatives who are ardent environmentalists.

        1. No one is lumping anything. One generation fought Nazism, a subsequent generation is propagating it.

      2. There were plenty of pro-Nazi Americans buzzing about in 1941. Don’t you believe it when you see these WW2 movies that imply that everyone was on the same page about the war. They weren’t all. I’m sure that plenty of people who ended up pointing rifles at German soldiers had some pro-Hitler attitudes not long before.

        https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/1548260861930699/?hc_ref=ARQo_YsD4jSWzXBc0i7xb1g9IRfp6sFLhbcK79CPx_UNuxuYFTtrwWbrjmpv8ysOouA&pnref=story

        1. Not following the strain here, so feel free to elaborate. My point is that if you can’t see this as an opportunity to speak clearly against fascism and white supremacy, well … never mind.

      3. Seth, it’s so damn automatic for most of us that we don’t require a personal “re-dedication” to oppose them. And it bothers us when others seek to force us to “pledge it.” It’s Akin to hassling Kramer for not wearing his ribbon during the AIDS Walk on Seinfeld

        When the film “The Blues Brothers” came out, I was already fully on-board (as a 12-year-old) with ridiculing them, and I’ve continued those beliefs my whole life. There’s a reason that scene could even exist back then. It was so commonly understood that these guys were idiots that we could joke about them in mainstream Hollywood films. I think we still can.

        1. It doesn’t look like that when you’re black or Jewish or non-white. To the contrary, speaking up now matters more than ever.

          Some jokes get old and stale, especially when they become reality. There’s nothing humorous about the dead protester that I can see.

  8. Damn tragic. I am glad to see the the people of the US responding to the threat so strongly. A whole lot of hard work lies ahead.

  9. Seems like a tired old saying, “people these days….” – but it sure seems like we’re plowing FSA into something really nasty. How did America become so effed up??? Hoping for better days ahead

  10. Make no mistake, racists were there with the intention of inciting violence.


    Charlottesville: far-right crowd with torches encircles counter-protest group

    threatened and threw tear gas at student protesters

    Mace, shields, helmets, 34 injured three deaths.

    They came well organized, looking for a fight, and got what they wanted. It’s sick and so sad in so many ways.

  11. Seth, I see you as more of a “Larry H Parker – I’ll fight for you” lawyer than a “treaty-negotiating” kinda lawyer. Would I be correct?

  12. My father fought in front-line combat in North Africa, Sicily, Anzio and Rome (and surrounding areas). Directly against German and Italian soldiers. Wounded twice under fire, once while on the beach at Anzio. Suffered from Malaria and almost died from it twice. A proud member of the VFW thereafter. In 1962, he bought a VW Bug, much to the chagrin of his VFW buddies. He had no long-standing beef with the Germans, despite having almost been killed by them.

    He died when I was young, but what I do know about him, is that he fought for freedom. Freedom to think as you wish, and to speak as you wish. That was pretty big for him.

    My dad was not a college-educated man, but he was smart enough to know that the Civil War had causation that went deeper than the obviously paramount issue of slavery. But he detested the fact that our schools presented the cause of the Civil War in such a simplistic manner (and as a singular). He was an avid reader about the topic, and he liked to dive deep into books about political events leading up to the war. He knew the issue of slavery was massive, but that it was just one of many examples that pertained to local control and the rights of states to choose their own paths.

    Knowing him, I know that he’d reluctantly stand for the right of the organizers to stage such a gathering in the first place, but he’d also stand against people showing up with violent intent to put it to an end. And just because he’d defend the right to gather and speak, you’d better think twice about lumping him IN with them. And I use this clip as an example of that:

    1. This is a common approach to dealing with the issue–reflecting on the lives our parents lived and projecting what they “would” have done or “would” have condoned. The assumption is that we couldn’t possibly criticize a patriot who fought in WWII if he would have condoned these protests.

      Your father in this case is a straw man in reverse, a figure being held up for his contributions and therefore immune from attack. Unfortunately, any individual’s argument is no stronger than the argument, whether backed by war service or not. I’ll decline the invitation to insult your (or anyone’s) parents, but I’ll simply say that I disagree with your premises and your conclusions … a person’s compulsory or voluntary military service doesn’t add to or subtract from this issue, any more than their hair color.

      1. Fair enough, but I wouldn’t have trotted him out if you hadn’t invoked he and his comrades.

        Please realize that although I make statements, it doesn’t mean I’m not always actively involved in the process of considering and reexamining my positions. Hitler’s rise to power obviously affected the lives of millions. And most certainly my own life. My father’s malaria was most certainly a contributing factor to his death at age 55. He never would have gotten it had he not been sent overseas to fight.

        And because if this, I’m pretty sensitive to the issues that allowed Hitler’s rise to happen at all. Quite frankly, I’m more worried about Trump himself than I am about those kooks with the tiki torches. I think their rallies have proven themselves worthy of being “pre-classified” as inherently unlawful due to the fact that violence almost always accompanies them. At this point, I’m cool with ending their legal protection. These rallies should not be allowed. However, if the Charlottesville Republican men’s club wanted to voice their disdain with the removal of the statue and the name change of the park, I think that right should be protected.

        1. I was invoking that generation because they fought and died (with varying degrees of enthusiasm and commitment to democracy, as you point out) to defeat Nazism. Our generation has a healthy and robust segment that glorifies the very things they fought. We are their heirs, whether our parents fought in WWII or not, and it is ironic that the pro-Nazi movement is what I can only imagine is an unwanted legacy of their sacrifice.

      2. There are so many people on this planet right now–with belief systems that are so incredibly scattered and diverse–that once enough of them find each other on the internet and decide to get together, the other 99.9% of people end up being quite shocked once they see them.

        Name your sick and twisted taboo, and there is a significant number of dedicated adherents out there–enough to make your skin crawl. Combine these populations with the internet and you now have the ability for these relatively small groups to communicate with each other and cluster together. The Twitter guy who has been “outing” the white supremacists has (so-far) found that these men traveled long distances to come together and make it appear that their relative numbers are meaningful. I seriously doubt that they are.

        1. You make a good point. I’ve met people of all political stripes, but I’ve yet to meet an avowed white supremacist.

      3. I don’t think the protesters that showed up to give them a good ass-kicking needed to come from far-off places. I also don’t think that these guys expected the kind of reception they received from Charlottesville. Many of the “outed” guys immediately issued statements trying to backtrack from being racists. I think that experience will drive a lot of rats back into the sewers.

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